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5e dragon travel times

Postby Coronoides » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:10 pm

EDIT: new version posted below but I’m leaving this here so you can see the difference the feedback from these forums can make.
My analysis of dragon travel times in 5e RAW indicates they can get to a council meeting within the 15 day time limit (unlike in 2e). If I assume the 'clock' on a forced march is reset by a short rest. I can't find a RAW that tells me what resets the hours counter on a forced march. Anyone seen an official ruling on this?

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For speeds higher than 40, the special travel pace rules (DMG242) will be useful in some circumstances. For exam-ple, a single Speed 60 PC will not affect the party’s overland travel speed, he must wait for the others.
A squadron of dragons on the other hand can travel great distances fast. When a Council of Wryms meeting is called Councillors have 15 days to reach the Aerie. In the 2e rules an embarrassing ‘fudge’ was needed to get distant Councilors there on time (Dragon Magazine issue 208). In 5e typical dragons old enough to participate in debated on the Platform of Dominates or vote on the Platform of Wryms can get get there within 15 days. Using the forced march rules (PHB181) a dragon can fly for hours = CON Save + 8 +1 before there is any chance of failing a save for a forced march. For an Ancient MM dragon this is at least 22 hours of flying per day, a little longer for most breeds. The RAW fast travel speed for a dragon flying at 80 is 80/10 x 1.3333 = 10.667 miles an hour, or 234.667 miles a day! Aerie to Southern-ost tip of the Isles (only 40 to the Northern most tip of the archipelago), or 59x50 = 2950 miles. So 2950/234.667 = 12.57 days, less than 13 days. Running the same calculations for the weakest MM adult dragons produces about 15 days to fly from the most distant coast of the Isles to the Aerie if she is at the farthest shore from the Aerie in all the Isles. A straight line of travel to the meeting is theoretically possible for a standing edict forbids interfering with a dragon travelling to the Council. In practice most dragons go around hostile domains if there is time.
For your PC dragon determine travel speed per hour as per DMG242. For hours per day you can safely travel use CON save + 9 = hours. How long a creature must rest between travel to ‘reset’ the forced march ‘clock’ is not given RAW. I assume that given that the dragon has no levels of exhaustion a short rest is sufficient, for simplicity I recommend a simple maximum of 23 hours of travel per day when calculating trave times for long journeys.
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Re: 5e dragon travel times

Postby Coronoides » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:53 am

See also the discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=81&t=18978
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Re: 5e dragon travel times

Postby Coronoides » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 am

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For speeds higher than 40, the special travel pace rules (DMG242) will be useful in some circumstances. For example, a single Speed 60 PC will not affect the party’s overland travel speed, he must wait for the others unless he can carry them all.
A squadron of dragons on the other hand can travel great distances fast. When a Council of Wryms meeting is called Councillors have 15 days to reach the Aerie. In the 2e rules an embarrassing ‘fudge’ was needed to get distant Councilors there on time (Dragon Magazine issue 208). In 5e typical dragons old enough to participate in debated on the Platform of Dominates or vote on the Platform of Wryms can get there within 15 days at fast pace (DMG242), although in some extreme cases bursts of forced march (PHB181) will be nessisary. A creature can travel for constitution save -1 hours in a day (min 8, maximum 16) for days on end without risk of exhaustion. Since a long rest ‘ends the adventuring day’ (PHB186) and resets the ‘clock’ for forced marches and is required to avoid sleep deprivation (XGE78) creatures usually travel for a maximum of 16 hours a day no matter how good their constitution save is. It is not unusual for ancient dragons to fly for 12 to 15 hours a day to reach a Council meeting (based on MM dragon statistics).
However, if the stakes are high enough to warrant a forced march rolling CON saves will build the tension at the table. If rolls for forced march are nessisary then a dragon may use any Legendary Resistance it has to post-pone exhaustion. A force march naturally stops at 5 level of exhaustion when speed drops to zero (PHB291).
Con save -1 hours is risk free. If spend all LR add 3.
Aerie to Southern-most tip of the Isles (only 40 to the Northern most tip of the archipelago), or 59x50 = 2950 miles. The RAW fast travel speed for a dragon flying at 80 is 80/10 x 1.3333 = 10.667 miles an hour, or at 15 hours a day 160 miles per day. Therefore 2950 miles at fast pace = 18.43 days at 15h/day by a MM Ancient gold. The dragon would have to use the forced march rules. Most of the time though Councillors with easily be with 15 days flight of the Aerie. A straight line of travel to the meeting is theoretically possible for a standing edict forbids interfering with a dragon travelling to the Council. In practice most dragons go around hostile domains if there is time and wild monsters or weather can be an issue.
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