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Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 4:39 am
by ripvanwormer
The Celestials = the Juna. Both were ancient, advanced aliens who could engineer at a planetary level and seeded the various planets with some of the common races of today.

The Kwa = the Arcane. They're both blue giants who uplift other races to space travel. You could also compare them to the Reigar, who are also said to have uplifted races in ancient times and used to be a bigger deal, apparently, than they are now.

The Rakata = the illithids. They're both amphibious predators who ruled ancient slaver empires. They terraformed some worlds to suit their needs and sometimes devoured their slaves.

The Sith = the gith. I don't mean the Sith Order but the original Sith species, since they were an enemy of the Rakata and, in AD&D, githyanki are one of the first examples of anti-paladins. The fact that their names rhyme is just a nice bonus.

The Hutts = the neogi. Well, anyway, I can imagine Jabba as a bloated Old One.

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:12 am
by Havard
Nice!

This setup actually gave me some more insight in the Spelljammer races :)

-Havard

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 3:54 am
by Angel Tarragon
Great thread! Has me pondering whether getting rid of my Star Wars D20 books is a bad idea. :idea:

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:05 pm
by Big Mac
ripvanwormer wrote:The Rakata = the illithids. They're both amphibious predators who ruled ancient slaver empires. They terraformed some worlds to suit their needs and sometimes devoured their slaves.
Interesting take.

I've always thought illithids are more like the goa'uld from Stargate.
Havard wrote:This setup actually gave me some more insight in the Spelljammer races :)
We will make a Spelljammer fan of you, yet. ;)
The Angelic Dragon wrote:Great thread! Has me pondering whether getting rid of my Star Wars D20 books is a bad idea. :idea:
Sean K Reynolds published a booklet (which I don't own) called File Off the Serial Numbers, which was all about rebooting monsters to make new monsters. If you are going to keep some of your gamebooks, you should be able to raid them to give you ideas that make your other gamebooks work better.

I don't play Star Wars myself, but I bet a lot of the space races could be given a fantasy reboot, a new name and a new appearance and nobody would ever know they were from Star Wars.

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 10:20 pm
by Ashtagon
This reminds me of something I did a long time ago to blend Spelljammer with TFG's Starfleet Battles (Star Trek) universe.

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:56 pm
by ripvanwormer
Big Mac wrote:I've always thought illithids are more like the goa'uld from Stargate.
Well, I just think the Rakata are the best Star Wars analogy. There are a lot of things you can compare them to in other franchises. The concept of the ancient illithid empire (as created by Charles Stross as part of the background of the gith races) was directly inspired by Larry Niven's Thrint. The Hive on the short-lived 1990s TV series Dark Skies made me think of mind flayers, too, probably for the same reasons the Goa'uld make you think of them.

However, the tsochari from Lords of Madness are a better parallel to both the Goa'uld and the Hive in that they're parasites who assume control of humanoid hosts without transforming them, enabling them to pass as members of their host races.

The actual M.O. of the Goa'uld, stealing humans from ancient Egypt to be slaves on other conquered worlds, is pretty close to what the Imaskari from the Forgotten Realms setting do, although the Imaskari are humans and not alien parasites wearing human flesh.

Re: Parallels between Spelljammer and the Star Wars EU

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:27 am
by Big Mac
ripvanwormer wrote:However, the tsochari from Lords of Madness are a better parallel to both the Goa'uld and the Hive in that they're parasites who assume control of humanoid hosts without transforming them, enabling them to pass as members of their host races.
You make an excellent point.
ripvanwormer wrote:The actual M.O. of the Goa'uld, stealing humans from ancient Egypt to be slaves on other conquered worlds, is pretty close to what the Imaskari from the Forgotten Realms setting do, although the Imaskari are humans and not alien parasites wearing human flesh.
True. And this reminds me that we probably need a "Mulhorandispace" thread here at some point.