Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

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Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Alzrius » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:29 pm

I saw an obscure rule somewhere (it might have been in a 1st edition book) about what happened if you tried to use the clone spell on the Astral Plane. Specifically, it said that because of the plane's timeless nature, the 2d4 months that it normally took the clone to grow ended up becoming something like 1,000 years for every day of that 2d4 month period. Does anyone know what book that was in? I can't seem to locate it now.

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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Digitalelf » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:31 pm

That was the 1st edition "Manual of the Planes".
Manual of the Planes wrote:A clone created on the Astral plane grows at the subjective rate of the plane (1 day equals 1,000 years). It is highly unlikely the clone's creator will be around when the clone comes to full completion, or if even the creator's civilization will exist in that far future time. For this reason, clone growing is not practical in the Astral, unless an enterprising DM wants to run campaigns separated by at least 60,000 years.
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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Havard » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:21 pm

I didn't know about this. How odd! :)

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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Digitalelf » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:57 am

Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:21 pm
I didn't know about this. How odd! :)
Yeah, I much prefer how time within the Astral works in 2nd edition.
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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Tim Baker » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:05 am

Digitalelf wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:57 am
Yeah, I much prefer how time within the Astral works in 2nd edition.
How did that work?

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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Digitalelf » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:30 am

Tim Baker wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:05 am
How did that work?
This is what "A Guide to the Astral Plane" had to say about time on the Astral:
A Guide to the Astral Plane wrote:Much in the same way that the Astral has no real space, it also has no real time. Those within it perceive the passage of what seems to be time, but in fact, nothing ages or decays here, for no time truly passes.

Leatherheads who learn this fact immediately think of the Astral as a way to cheat time. Go to the Astral, wait a few thousand years, and then go back to their home plane, they think. The catch is, it doesn't work like that. When a visitor to the Astral leaves, all of the time that he missed instantly catches up with him. This means that if a 20-yearold human woman enters the Astral and stays for 50 years, she remains 20 the whole time in the Silver Void, but she instantly ages 50 years upon leaving, becoming a 70-year-old woman. Returning to the Astral Plane does not allow her to regain her youth, either. While time does not pass on the Astral (although the perception of time does exist), it does in the rest of the multiverse, and time can't be cheated. It all has to do with the translation to and from the mental form of the Astral and the physical form of the rest of the multiverse. It all has to do with perception.
It goes on to say that because one doesn't need to eat while on the astral, one typically doesn't, so when a person leaves the plane, they are really hungry... Then it talks about how some enterprising people have made a good living by setting up and running a establishments at or around known gates or color pools, taking advantage of this fact.
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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Tim Baker » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:49 am

Digitalelf wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:30 am
This is what "A Guide to the Astral Plane" had to say about time on the Astral:
Thanks for sharing that. I think I prefer the 2e explanation, too. As a realm that isn't physical, it makes a certain amount of sense to me that time wouldn't catch up until you return to the material plane, rather than simply moving more slowly.

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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by brassdragon » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:41 pm

The clone of a wizard from a long-dead civilization, returning from the Astral to the Prime Material? Sounds like an adventure seed to me!

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Re: Using the Clone spell on the Astral Plane

Post by Digitalelf » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:34 pm

brassdragon wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:41 pm
The clone of a wizard from a long-dead civilization, returning from the Astral to the Prime Material? Sounds like an adventure seed to me!
Absolutely!

And it could still be done in 2nd edition with the changes made to how time works within the Astral plane. :D
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