Gecko wrote:Where do you get that Number of Brethren between 795 AC-1015 AC?
I believe there's 6 to 8 Brethren in cannon, and it seems like there must be more members of the Brotherhood, plus some in the past now dead (ie like Danira Voshane see G:KoM).
From somewhere I got the following list of Brotherhood of Radience members:
I believe Morningsun is Angus, Estocada is Fernando, and Moonshadow is apparently Harald? Not sure if Etienne is meant to be one of those or if he is known just as "Rad"
The Gaz says says that in AC1000 there is a 50 total drain with 6 brethren (apparently not counting Etienne as Rad):
Don Fernando de Casanegra
Lord Harald of Haaskinz
Lord Alasdair McAllister
Prince Brannart McGregor
Sir Angus McGregor
Prince Vanserie Vlaardoen
seems low, I would leave some room for other NPCs as the DM requires.
GKoM, set in AC1013 adds Maximilian Hiltier (I would guess probably either the "Bluelight" or "Azureone") and that Vanserie only joined shortly before his death (so could he be Moonshadow?)
I have expanded the initial table with two steps (#brethren and rad drained).
I have determined the drains from the amount of drains, its discovery-date, the amount of members and calculated this back and forth along the timeline.
The official (79)drained amounts and effects are;
100 rad 1 day no magic
500 rad 1 week no magic
1000 rad difficult to learn magic...another week is added
2000 rad magic is rare
5000 rad bang= Glantri similar to Broken Lands.
I only further increased the growrth of times of no magic from, 1 day, 1 week and 2 week to 4 weeks, and expanded the table to enccompass the effects of more members equally. This seemed logical.
It is said that at begin campaign only 50 rad is drained by 6 members, but days of no magic happened already before 1000AC, and thus a minimum of 100 rad must have been drained at 1000AC. (79)
795 AC discovered by Ettiene/Rad
(according his history), he drained at 1 each year thus he is solely respionsible for the loss of 205 rad at 1000AC.
At 895 AC there already were days of no magic (according the text and other gazetteers), thus calculating from there on with the yearly use
Looking at the ages of the members, you can estimate their entering and thus influencing the Rad drain.. Until 995AC when the fifth member arrived the total rad use was still only 1 yearly, thus this extra member caused the group to double its drain rate, and added 5 rad from the pool.
To the number of members, the Gaz 2 is a bit contradictive. it says at (79) that only 6 brethren exist, but in the guild description 8 are listed, and in the names more can be delved from. Not counted at all is the newest member added in the storyline text.
As I write this, and see that several died before 1010,(Rad, Hippolyto, Vanserie) and more others were added (GKoM) the numbers around this day in my tables must be tweaked a bit...prior to 1010 there thus were 12 members known to us (Hippolyto died earlier) instead of 11, 2 more dissapeared died later(Rad and Vanserie), coming to 9 in 1010 AC, so vanserie may (must) indeed have been replaced (under the same alias probably). to keep the numbers up, thus 10.
=vibrant, averoigne accent= Ettienne ambreville
(68,21) Ettiene can automatically ident1fy any mortal user of the radiance.According to Wrath of the Immortals and Mark of Amber, Rad/Ettiene is literally gone...and has NOT returned as of yet (1016 according Almanacs etc.) this might depend on the actions of PC's in Mark of Amber, burt also on how Ettiene thinks the whole situation over...if....rejoined with his noncorporeal /and corporeal identity. At least he hasn't done anything,after his dissapearance.
= Prince Brannart McGregor
(68+28/29)one of the oldest member
3 Lord Harald of Haaskinz
=belcadiz accent= don hippolito de belcadiz
(pg 68+23)Died a few years before Kingdom of Magic (set at 1010AC??)
5 Don Fernando de casanegra
=child = Sir Angus McGregor
7 Prince Vanserie Vlaardoen X!
(36)died in WotI (GKoM 35) but may have been replaced by julia vlaardoen
as after his death all his knowledge and books became open and available to her.
8 Lord Alaisdair McAllister
9Lady Margaret of Hillsbury
( loyal to the order of radiance (26)
= new, old man(74-78)
11 Fernando de Casanegra
is also a member, but is not an old man, thus not moonshadow.(GKoM 78)
12 Maximilian Hiltier
(GKoM 119 illustration) already able to 7th level radiance spell retain, and thus must have been a member long before 1010 AC, is also not an old man, thus not moonshadow.
13 Danira Voshane
attempted immortality by use of the greatest Radiance spell, and thus must have been a member long before 1010 AC(the illustration reveals she's barely affected by it, but grasped by an ïmmortal??"hand.
The names you gave I have not found but could easily appounted to the members without a known alias.
(sounds belcadizian so maybe Fernando de Casanegra
(blue waterelementalist also??, McAllister?
(humble maybe Harald
is a bright welcoming name, so maybe Hiltier?
was indeed just known as Rad
...this might however lead to disturbing/desiring thoughts by the mages as Rad is a known immortal; "are they actually religious followers now" and "he succeeded i might too"
Lady Carlotina of erewan
has books on subject and feels radiance is too powerful to keep secret
Lady Carmina de Belcadiz
seduced Hippolito, and thus night have more knowledge(or at least where to find it), and may look for it after his death.
knows of Radiance not mastered yet (pg 22)
Lady Arbana Jerbat
suspicious , spy(26)
Lady Sinaria Verlien
knows Lord Rejladan Virayana has Radiance Knowledge(29)
described openly (
GKoM 116) in his journal the existence of the Radiance, which came available to others after his death.
Lord Rejladan Virayana
has tome describing Radiance(30)
Innocienty de malapietra
knows Harald Haaskins is master in radiance and want to stay in good grace (26)
Duke Gerrid Rientha
has Harald Hasskins receptable created and senses its importance...
great chance to learn
Dona Yolanda wife of Don Fernando de casanegra
McGregor,McAllister,and Belcadiz direct Family members
Raknaar the Dragon
at Vlaardoen house
one of the greatest source of willing and unwilling spreading could be Lady Carolotina of Erewan
, who does not like it to be a secret, (especially to Alfheim), thus might more eager to spread this (still basic) books of knowledge leading to more research
The little manthing (Imp??)
on the shoulder of the newest member knows-all(68)/ imps are chaotic very intelligent thus will always know the importance to spread this knowledge somehow (within its capabilities)
Outerworld visitors and other Immortals
know from the archives of time(78)
And according to GKoM 31 sidebar Glantrian nobles
use secret dealings, bribery, blackmail, charms and such to aquire knowledge, and thus also Knowledge about the Radiance.
Synn/dolores hilssbury of Fenswick
knows/feels? there is a secret power, but hasn't located it yet.
According to Wrath of the Immortals, Alphatia (and its spies)
is aware of the radiance, but knows to little yet, most alphatians are removed in 1009 AC, but the cork is from the bottle, many now know there is a secret power to grave for,..and thus will seek for it, and though difficult, many will find it, and with each find, making access easier as the knowledge become available to another, and thus easierr toobtain (secretive, enforced, or spread).
sees/feels/knows each use of the radiance, he was the only barrier to enter the order. with him removed as of Wrath of the Immortals and anything canon thereafter), the order will have no barrier to enter, other than the other members, who never know who the other is, other than that he/she is new....thus unable to block new entries. It even may wel be that the new members do NOT use their receptable to communicate with the others, so might even be more hidden from the other members, and as thus might not be regulated by the secrecy bounds.
All these factors lead to the slow but steadily further spreading of the Knowledge.
All this information led to the calculations leading to the tables given earlier above. All page numbers here between ( ) are from Gaz 2, or are from Great Kingdom of Magic (GKoM).
The accompanied adventure (Test of Darkness) speaks of Darkness in the underground... could that be an effect of the radiance (no light evn magic seems to function. and as this is only some tens of feet underground (probably within the old ruins of the former city Braejr, or even the old Blackmoorian city Redfen, thus the darkness effect could indeed be centered on the Radiance or coming from it.
The secret of a secret is that it can never be kept secret.
It will always spread...slowly or instantly, exponentially, or slumbering.