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[Golarion] Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:08 am
by Angel Tarragon
I've been listening/watching as many of the GenCon Paizo panels as I could and one of the tidbits of information that I gleaned is that the world is hollow and that there is a world inside it. Whether this world within a world is like Mystara or not, that information I do not have.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:56 pm
by ripvanwormer
Isn't this the Dead Vault, where Rovagug is imprisoned?

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:38 pm
by Havard
Angel Tarragon wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:08 am
I've been listening/watching as many of the GenCon Paizo panels as I could and one of the tidbits of information that I gleaned is that the world is hollow and that there is a world inside it. Whether this world within a world is like Mystara or not, that information I do not have.


Source?

-Havard

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:30 pm
by Angel Tarragon
Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:38 pm
Source?

-Havard
Paizo 2019 & Beyond Panel

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:31 pm
by Angel Tarragon
ripvanwormer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:56 pm
Isn't this the Dead Vault, where Rovagug is imprisoned?
Since the Dead Vault is a demiplane, no.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:42 pm
by ripvanwormer
Angel Tarragon wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:31 pm
ripvanwormer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:56 pm
Isn't this the Dead Vault, where Rovagug is imprisoned?
Since the Dead Vault is a demiplane, no.
It's a demiplane in the center of Golarion. I mean, it's not in the Ethereal or Astral Plane, it's inside Golarion. Did they describe Golarion's hollow interior in a way that rules the Dead Vault out?

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:56 pm
by Havard
Angel Tarragon wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:30 pm
Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:38 pm
Source?

-Havard
Paizo 2019 & Beyond Panel
Are you at that event or is it available online somewhere? :)

-Havard

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:08 pm
by Angel Tarragon
Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:56 pm
Are you at that event or is it available online somewhere? :)

-Havard
It was on Twitch. All the panels were filmed back to back into one big video. I think Paizo will be splitting the big video into smaller ones to upload each panel to their YouTube channel.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:23 pm
by Angel Tarragon
ripvanwormer wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:42 pm
It's a demiplane in the center of Golarion. I mean, it's not in the Ethereal or Astral Plane, it's inside Golarion. Did they describe Golarion's hollow interior in a way that rules the Dead Vault out?
I didn't catch every detail, all I heard was hollow world before the conversation shifted topics.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:51 pm
by Cthulhudrew
Golarion has an extensive darklands system, with varying layers to it where creatures dwell. The lowest, largest level is Orv, which consists of many large vaults, often filled with large oceans. This layer is where most of the aboleth that used to rule Golarion dwell in. Many/most of the vaults beneath Golarion (and other worlds) were created by a race known, appropriately enough, as the Vault Builders. They are an extraplanar race (Xiomorns, in their own language). There is more information about them in various Pathfinder products.

What the podcast was probably referring to, though, is a specific region of Orv- Deep Tolguth- that lays far beneath the lands of the Mammoth Lords in Varisia. This vast vault is filled with something akin to daylight, and prehistoric men and beasts still roam its vastness. It is rumored to be accessible through the Earthnavel in the Mammoth Lords' realm. It is a place akin to the Hollow World (Mystara), Pellucidar (Burroughs), Savage Land (Marvel), Skartaris (DC), or similar "hollow earth" locales.

The best sources of information are the 1e Pathfinder products Into the Darklands and Darklands Revisited for info on the Darklands; The Emerald Spire Superdungeon and Vault of the Onyx Citadel (AP 120) for Xiomorns/Vault Keepers/Vault Builders. And there is only very scattered information on Deep Tolguth; it hasn't been explored in any great detail in any 1E Pathfinder products that I am aware of.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:07 pm
by Starglim
Cthulhudrew wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:51 pm
And there is only very scattered information on Deep Tolguth; it hasn't been explored in any great detail in any 1E Pathfinder products that I am aware of.
The novel Called to Darkness might have as much on it as anything.

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:14 pm
by Havard
Angel Tarragon wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:08 pm
Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:56 pm
Are you at that event or is it available online somewhere? :)

-Havard
It was on Twitch. All the panels were filmed back to back into one big video. I think Paizo will be splitting the big video into smaller ones to upload each panel to their YouTube channel.
Thanks! Reason I'm asking is because I was curious if other details might have been mentioned.

-Havard

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:26 pm
by Cthulhudrew
Just listened to the part of the podcast being referred to (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/461957374; approximately 6:55). Erik Mona doesn't say specifically that it is Deep Tolguth, but the description he gives pretty much cements that is the region he is referring to. (He does reference the darklands and the vaults of Orv specifically.)

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:25 am
by Big Mac
Angel Tarragon wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 7:30 pm
Havard wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:38 pm
Source
Paizo 2019 & Beyond Panel
I can't find this on YouTube (not under that name).

Which Twitch channel was it on? (Was it a Paizo channel, the channel for Gen Con or somewhere else?)

Do they still have a copy of the video in their archive (on that specific Twitch channel)?

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:34 pm
by Cthulhudrew
I posted a link in the the post above yours BM. (I can't use it from work apparently, so I can't verify that it is currently working, but it seemed okay a few days ago when I posted it originally.)

Re: Golarion is hollow!

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:26 am
by Big Mac
Cthulhudrew wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:34 pm
I posted a link in the the post above yours BM. (I can't use it from work apparently, so I can't verify that it is currently working, but it seemed okay a few days ago when I posted it originally.)
Thanks. I didn't see that.

I'll check that out later.

EDIT: It's the Extinction Curse Adventure Path!