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My homebrew AQ like campaign

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Salam to you all fellow enlightened travellers of the worlds!

I would like to first thank you my friends (yeah already close hehe) for hosting this zone we can use to gather share develop all those ressources i came by since i stepped here looking for conversion of old al qadim settings to 3.5 conversion and so...
i am so glad i ve found a bunch of fellows of the Loregiver prophecy (if i can call it this way).
I would like to introduce myself quickly i am from France i bought my first AQ book when i was 16 years old its been a long while ago now but i still am fond of this settings. In the meanwhile i havent played that much to Rpgs since life familly have pushed on other important things to do and i ve been away of my base group of roleplayers each others going here and there for some reasons. Though i ve been playing since my 10 years old and i can claim to have kind of a mid range experience in this domain... Thats why i decided to really start something new as a base settings for a RPG with an oriental flavor for sure based on one Thousand nights and a Night and other various sources we can go across researching ressources of this medevial world

I would like to get to the point now since i got troubles with my computer for 3 days and its not confortable to write with my mobile... the thing that ran me in troubles when i was younger trying to masterize Al :evil: Qadim looking at all the boxes and books i got at this time and trying to play on those settings with my friend was the lack of a well explained mythology, pantheon getting it to a balanced divine system or spirituality... Even this fact is my own point of view it was kind of confuspsing for mes at this time, thats why i want to rewrite this background as a new setting for divinity understanding i would like to first base it on the indian spirituality because its not complicated on its basics with 3 major divinities they say those are just the facets of one divinity and it also propose to incluse many kind of spiritual developpements interedting to use as flavour of a special "pantheon", plus i would like to include kind of a monotheist groups of human related way of explaining divinity mainly for the reason that our monotheist religions on earth have such an interesting cult of the lost King which we can even retrieve in the Tolkien writings... i would like to drop a note by the way that shows something about the cheik of the djebel (master of the assassins") has a doctrine similar to this since its based on Chiism islamic movement at this time and coded in the doctrine of the 12 imams where we can find the last one of those clothed in a way that explains the well known Lost King myth or at least kind of a Me theressiah on its own... ( sorry if its a bit confusing i ll try to manage a better developement of thos ideas as soon as i get my computer back working well...).
For other reasons i would link to link at least my base to a japenese like island crowded with hundreds of pirate vessels since many friend are fond of Japan, samourais, yakousas and the emperor hidden in his palac ther.
That will make a mixing of 3 different cultures i would be managing for my players with a core Corsairs background to get it well working as a way of connecting those different areas and help travelling my friend to a point to another quickly...
I think i am going to end this first drop for now and get back to you guys with more infos as soon as i can get an hand on a real computer to get things easier i would like to communicate to you my friends, thanks for reading me in advance and do not bring the silence on mysterious parts of my writings since as you know now i m not english native so it should be confusing sometimes and i will get to details like that and respell them another way for a better understanding.
Thanks again i hope to see you soon

PS: i will get back on errors done with the mobile keyboard as soon as possible thanks

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Hi,

Not sure I got all of that, but understood the gist. This sounds like a very cool campaign - mixing cultures is always fun and I really like your idea of adding a Japanese land to the Arabian setting.

Cheers


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this mainly is the will of few players that love the extreme oriental flavor and i thought it wouldnt be a pain to add an island with samourais, yakusas of some homebrew designs plus we can find plenty of ressources to run such classes like a Ronin or so especially i wanna set this all in the pathfinder rules which already have classes and PrC to handle their wishes... i think its a lot better to follow such a wa because i come across many peeps around that dont like much the arabian background as it refers to some real life feelings we got fire on with all the troubles we got in the real world events so the pirate history of the japanese island and al qadim matches best for a quick mixing to get a campaign that everyone would feel confortable with i hope to...
Thats why my idea is to set up an indian like "pantheon" for the spiritual aspects as a base to avoid peopme having troubles with the religious fact which the monotheists religions have brought throught our lands in quite a messy way, well i also think thats why the designers of AQ choose to make a pre-islamic "pantheon" of their point of view to shape this camp
aign looking like most of other campaigns going in the time past of the DnD history...
Thanks for replying!

ps: i already took a look on your campaign and i really loved the Kali deity flavor included in the whole and i am looking forward to read more about all the details available on your blog

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i also had a look on this thread viewtopic.php?f=7&t=9913
that kinda shaped more my opinion on the need of reviewing the background spiritual base and make something of my own since i got lot of info and a real knowledge fthe islamic conception of divinity as well as an esoteric point of view on the Tarot cards which is for me an universal fusipn all our worldwide spiritualities delivered to the christian people of europe after the fall of order of the temple, this fact just suceeded to the death of this mystic man Ibn Arabi i was talking about on the AQ facebook group and the dawn of the Hachichin sect first leaded by the cheik al djebel they use to make "assassin's montain" box but you already aware about that historical source i guess hehe...
I ll be back for further improvement of my sayings about those related subjects for sure its a real complicated period itself but an awesome time to get inspiration from we can use for our own Rpg materials.
See you soon

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already back for questionning you enlightened peeps about this pathfinder set of adventures i heard about many times i didnt get the chance to get a deep look of its design (but i will), the main reason i heard it became as popular as the "secret of the lamp" we experienced in AQ is the reason of having part of an adventure taking place on the city of brass... what is your experience about this adventure you can fin? here to be sure we talk about the same thing...: http://paizo.com/pathfinder/adventurePath/legacyOfFire

this is the adventure including a tour into the city of brass itself: http://paizo.com/products/btpy88tp?Path ... ssible-Eye

thanks for backing me up on this!

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The Bard Class - THE POET - (*oriental name*)

The sun was just rising, i was already running straight on my old companion, my fellow horse, pure raced female of a well known desert riders' house i've met during my journey accross the Giant's Tooth desert,, for whom i had to tell the stories for fourty nights to gain this new vehicule; I was flying like the butterfly without light above the uncountable rocks crowded here and there on the horizon, a pack of an hundread camels were chasing me so closely I really thought i couldn't escape from them this day the heavens were offering when It appeared to me after a long thousand steps inside the small rift i was following, a narrow entrance into the bend of my mother Earth.
I was sure this was made on purpose, it was like a lovely call, a sudden invite i couldn't refuse, so i made the horrible choice to seperate with my faithful friend, and accept this offer to ride inside its roll of fat, desperatly willing to escape this desastrous fortune catching my cape. I was so sad to beat my horse the way he could continue in a direction to help me scatter the men that swore to capture me and bring me back to the chief i insulted last night in his own kingdom.
I entered the cave in urgency, sweating profusely and panting, believing my feet already into the tomb, I was watching out the surrounding sounds that could come from my ennemies, when i got totally surprised by a sweet voice blowing me those words:

In the dread of night, a mystic began to weep
He said, "This world is like a close coffin, in which
We are shut and in which, through our ignorance
We spend our lives in folly and desolation
When death comes to open the lid of the coffin
Each one who has wings will fly to the Heavens
But those without will remain locked in the coffin
So my friends, before the lid of this coffin is taken off
Do all you can to become a bird in the way of light
Do all you can to develop your wings and your feathers"

I could barely breath and move after such sentences but the man from whom flowed this terrible poem draw an hand and invited me to get closer to his retreat. He quickly moved his lips in an unknown tongue, at least I could hear once he spelled those new words, and managed a large move with his entire body for few seconds, so slowly I thought my senses were going crazy, at the same moment i was able to watch a small spider at the rocky entrance building as fast as lightning a web wall covering the whome as well as I couldnt see anything out of this cavern.
It was such an old man smiling at me, I couldnt throw something out of my mooth after all i saw happening the last two minutes. He told me: "feel in security now, have a seat next to me, calm down so i can hear your story!"
I tried to manage to recall all my being into its normal state and be able to sit down. I thought i wouldnt risk anything telling the story of my last night spent among the desert tribe settled close to this rocky sea and I said:
"Thanks to you my dear father, I couldnt expect such an help covering my escape away of those raiders trying to capture me." I added ashamed: "T tried to annonce the fire burning inside my heart to the campement chief's daughter when we were discovered by guards wandering near her tent after hearing loud noises coming from my best poems." The mystic replied:
"Your face is neither infinite or ephemeral
You can see your own face
Only a reflection nor the face itself"

"We are going to tell you such a story you will probably turn insane once i finish telling it, I experienced love when i was a young traveler running across the lands in search of Wisdom, during my pilgrimage the Raging Cries desert, I reached an holy city, pearl of this desert, I've been introduced inside a famous cheik's home, renowned one of those tribes settling the area and its surrounding. I was discussing different paths of well known wisdoms we are used to debate between sagesof our kind. Just incoming after a long moment while they shared famous food they prepared in honor of my arrival, members of his familly joined us to participate pondering our matters. A young lady sat ten feet away of me and started pondering a point of my view I suddenly realized I was meeting such an increadible pearl among pearls It's so rare to come by the oceans only produced like the number we can count on both hands using fingers...

(To be continued...! :))

(i think the bardic role and the poet place in AQ hasnt been restored as best as it could have been done, when you investigate their role during the pre islamic time of the arabic world, even after this time they gain a new rank with the islamic revelation among those followers when you realize the crucial place that poetry occupies among all mystics found in all corners of this rich and wide civilisation (at the height of mysticism Ibn Arabi have brought kind ofa huge light on this domain as you can read in this document made by a french specialist of arabic language and sufism traditions here http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/articles ... stone.html (for those who really want to know more about those medieval times in this rich civilisation), also in terms of gameplay and roleplay i find there is a weak profile we got for the usual bard and i hope improving things with a new poet place inide this campaign would boost their role inside a group, which would find their skills so awesome when communicating with many npcs from the poorest beggar to the sultan's court, they would not go out without their own dedicated poet! Well lets rush to introduction hehe... )

Introduction:

(trying to translate part of a poem i couldnt find the source in english, be aware that couldnt sound well though heh)

Having entire seas drank, we are surprised
Our lips are still as dry as beaches
And always looking for the sea to dip them without seeing
That my lips are beaches and we are the sea

bards or poets in the oriental world have been quite a position and status both political and social of a real importance. The power of words is so great they are able to turn over an invading army back to their steps, poets are often chiefs in nomadic tribes, wisdom's flow on the side of Caliphs, Sultans, Maharadja, or Emperors, we could think clerics might handle such a role, but the force of persuasion poets can open out is quite decisive or the deciding argument is often given by poets to clerics . In desertic areas, poets struggle each other to find answers to rivalry of all kind among tribes in conflicts or solve troubles between clans, internecine rivalry burns in the desert, and poems are the best medicine to cure such matters, not the least calm troubles down.

Features : all the class is based on the bard class found in the Pathfinder Players Handbook, thought i am thinking of adding a few PrC for those who want to specialize their bard into offensive role with dancing blades and so or poet with vizier like roles which enhance more the profane aspect of this class, i did a check on details i can find in the 3.5 conversion i found there viziers sound nice for a political role poets can wear in settled areas but might as well think about a complete profile in a PrC for poet of nomadic experience. I would like bard fanatics to find a great class that can specialize in various ways to get real handy in a group or not getting a feeling that they are not useful at all and weak adventuring next to other profiles…

Other classes in developement i would like to discuss :
My plan has include shaping Dervishes and Mystic with different ways of behaving and i cannot use the dervish as i found it in the AQ 3.5 handbook as it is, since for me the Dervish is mainly a mystic way of spiritual manifestation so a basic class for clerics, which doesnt mean they couldnt specialize in a combat style to fight ennemies (i could shape some PrC so they could follow such ways to get more features for their mystics). Barbarian Mercenaries we were used to in the old AQ settings were closer to the historical view of kind of mongol barbarian and so… Thats why i would like the stick to the basic barbarian with oriental point of view and see how i could enhance them to match the asian cultures. I wonder why i couldnt use the Dervish class from the 3.5 book to make a PrC of a own fighting style type though. Anyway i dont really matter such things for now since i dont expect my PCs to choose such role or classes, and i should have a mix of arabian like classes and Japenese roles like samourai and such, my own goal is to start testing stuffs with a core Corsair backgroup so i will expect some Pcs to match those profiles and follow those ways in the begining, i got plenty of time to develop those details and try them as Npcs and different cessions where friends would change to other classes and have different kind of fun…

I am going to end my daily work now and see tomorow whats the best to improve, the night brings advices :)

Thanks for advices that would help me have sure bases to start with!

PS: i am trying to make an effort to write most of stuffs in english so i can share with you guys hehe, and its not that easy for sure

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Hi LouqmanIbnArabi,

Welcome to The Piazza. It is great to see another person from France over The Piazza. We have a few now.

I'll come back to this thread later, but if you want to mix Arabian ideas with Oriental ideas, have you looked at the Legend of the Burning Sands campaign setting?

This stared out as a card game that bolted onto Legend of the Five Rings, but has also been published for the Lot5R RPG rules. The 3rd Edition Oriental Adventures was made to work with Legend of the Five Rings. They never converted Legend of Burning Sands to the 3rd Edition D&D rules, but maybe it will be possible for you to use the way the two settings connect as inspiration for your own stuff.
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Yes i heard about it i know the L5R cards game, but never tried the RPG one, i can ask a friend if he owns this campaign settings you talking about... Though i wouldnt mix the Japense like background as its delivered in the L5R game since its way too different and far from the arabian one ( i mean the spirits the daemons, the monsters of all kind...), there is also in pathfinder a set of adventures japenese oriented which you can have an overview here:

http://paizo.com/pathfinder/adventurePath/jadeRegent

The Yodotai looks like related to Alexander time but i am not sure though since i gotta dig into this campaign, Assassins are back to work there too, to drop kingdoms to kneels... This campaign is indeed close to the AQ background, i dont know if they tried to handle the genies world though?

I just figured that its more closer than i thought to the original AQ...

http://web.archive.org/web/201501200641 ... e-jackals/

http://web.archive.org/web/201111221555 ... 10/curses/

I really want to have an hand on this one you adviced me to take a look at!
http://www.koboldquarterly.com/k/announ ... LSvUWfJJlQ

Anyway i dont expect drawing an adventure where the PCs would be deeply involved into a Japenese Island like where an Emperor rules, but that should be coming when they get higher in lvls so it gives me the time to have a well designed connection between the different parts arabia - india - japan I plan to introduce in my homebrew stuffs.

See you soon my friend and thanks for replying! :)
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The trip to the City of Brass could be interesting. Perhaps there is something in the Planescape line that can help with that.

BTW: If you want to merge two different cultures, you might want to check out Aesheba: Greek Africa for inspiration. It isn't Arabian and Japanese, but I wondered if it might give you some ideas.
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well i would say it makes another bridge to think about which i am not ready to try before planning tons of things about other cultures, only thing would worth trying to do as a base for greek is the astrological doors, the 12 zodiacal signs i got useful sources to rely on, i m not sure to be clear on your question my friend but i could try a greek oracle on you once for fun, i am not sure to be skilled enough for such a special writing... Anyway, everything would be ready on my homebrew settings as soon as i can offer an opensource load of adventures to try in english, which means the problem of language is still in effect for a while till i get some helps around for this task...

I will be trying a remake of the small adventure you got sharing on our facebook group, hope to drop this here soon so at least something fun to try in a few...

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LouqmanIbnArabi wrote:i m not sure to be clear on your question my friend but i could try a greek oracle on you once for fun.
If I said something that confuses you, let me know what I said and what is the problem and I'll try to say it another way.

BTW: When I mentioned Aesheba: Greek Africa, it was just as an example of a product where two cultures have been thrown together. The Greek-like people have invaded an island continent occupied by African-like people.

If you want to mix Japanese islands with Arabian corsairs, there will possibly be places where the cultures clash or where one culture gets the upper hand. You need to work out how they might fit together in your world.
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