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Carrying over this discussion from the Kara-Tur subforum to Midgard as the topic change is more relevant here.
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:33 am
On the topic of fantasy names that draw from East Asian culture, myth, and language, it makes me wonder how Kobold Press is going to handle its upcoming Brilliant East sourcebook for the lands to the east of the Southlands and core Midgard portions of the setting.
This completely flew pass my radar. I didn't think KP were even working on it let alone have a title for it. Do you know who's working on it?

Don't know if it's feasible, but it would be great if it is possible. It seems David "Zeb" Cook has busy writing and developing video game materials over the last decades. If anyone can get him to do even a guest spot it would probably be Wolfgang Baur. They both worked on Green Ronin's early d20 era book of eastern-themed monsters: Jade Dragons & Hungry Ghost (2001). I always felt if Kobold Press did an "eastlands" book, some of the authors would be drawn from the big names there, if available.

It seems from Midgard and Southlands, a lot of naming awkwardness is mitigated by borrowing more from real world names and changing out some elements, leaving the expected framework. Discrepancies are usually due to fantastical elements. It's not perfect, but results end up pretty good.

Ben McFarland has mentioned more than once in discussions I've followed, that perfect is the enemy of good. If everything had to be perfect, we would never get any products.

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Isuru wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:24 am
This completely flew pass my radar. I didn't think KP were even working on it let alone have a title for it. Do you know who's working on it?
I believe I've seen Marc Radle and Ben McFarlane post about the book. These are generally little hints, such as a photo of a bunch of books on their desks that focus on Indian and Chinese myth, or speaking in hypotheticals. No date for the Kickstarter has been announced. They're focused on getting Deep Magic and Tome of Beasts 2 out the door before they take on another large Kickstarter.
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Don't know if it's feasible, but it would be great if it is possible. It seems David "Zeb" Cook has busy writing and developing video game materials over the last decades. If anyone can get him to do even a guest spot it would probably be Wolfgang Baur. They both worked on Green Ronin's early d20 era book of eastern-themed monsters: Jade Dragons & Hungry Ghost (2001). I always felt if Kobold Press did an "eastlands" book, some of the authors would be drawn from the big names there, if available.
That would be a great addition for this book.
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It seems from Midgard and Southlands, a lot of naming awkwardness is mitigated by borrowing more from real world names and changing out some elements, leaving the expected framework. Discrepancies are usually due to fantastical elements. It's not perfect, but results end up pretty good.
For the most part, I agree. The exception for me is "Midgard" itself. It's the name of the world, but also tends to be used as the name for the core part of the setting (as opposed to the Northlands or Southlands). What are we supposed to call the continent that's the equivalent of Europe in the setting? Additionally, the name brings with it all these assumptions about a Norse setting. While the Northlands draw heavily from Norse myth, the majority of the setting is inspired by other real-world myths, plus a splash of unique additions. I've had to explain to countless new players that we're not playing in a setting that focuses on Vikings or on the Thor of Marvel Comics or the MCU. It's a relatively minor gripe, but since you were talking about their naming, I thought I'd mention it.
Isuru wrote:
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Ben McFarland has mentioned more than once in discussions I've followed, that perfect is the enemy of good. If everything had to be perfect, we would never get any products.
We use this saying frequently at my job. I'm totally on board with this.

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While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old. This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....

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BrianSuskind wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:57 pm
While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old. This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....
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shesheyan wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:26 pm
BrianSuskind wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:57 pm
While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old. This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....
;) :lol:
;) Indeed!

Since it cannot be confirmed or denied, it must surely not exist...
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Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:14 am
For the most part, I agree. The exception for me is "Midgard" itself. It's the name of the world, but also tends to be used as the name for the core part of the setting (as opposed to the Northlands or Southlands). What are we supposed to call the continent that's the equivalent of Europe in the setting? Additionally, the name brings with it all these assumptions about a Norse setting. While the Northlands draw heavily from Norse myth, the majority of the setting is inspired by other real-world myths, plus a splash of unique additions. I've had to explain to countless new players that we're not playing in a setting that focuses on Vikings or on the Thor of Marvel Comics or the MCU. It's a relatively minor gripe, but since you were talking about their naming, I thought I'd mention it.
Following the pattern of continent and subcontinent names, the core setting is probably just called "Midlands" if the people living there have to refer to it at all, which probably still defaults to "Midgard" in everyday use.

Keep seeing on gaming boards about GMs having to show newer players that Norse-influenced materials are not some off-brand version of Marvel's Thor. This is will probably be an ongoing issue for some time.

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BrianSuskind wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:57 pm
While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old.
Thanks for hopping over here to share that, Brian. I'm so sorry to have left your name off my list of folks I'd seen hypothetically talking about such a project, above. That wasn't intentional.
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This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....
That sounds fantastic! So looking forward to such a project...should one ever materialize.

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Isuru wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:50 pm
Following the pattern of continent and subcontinent names, the core setting is probably just called "Midlands" if the people living there have to refer to it at all, which probably still defaults to "Midgard" in everyday use.
Brian Suskind confirmed on Facebook that "Midlands" is the correct term.

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Midlands it is then.

After looking at it, I have no interest in Midgard itself. It's not the Viking Lands source book I was looking for. Also, I already have my home-brew Fantasy European-like portion designed and mapped out. On the other hand the South and East books could prove very useful to me as I continue to expand my world.

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shesheyan wrote:
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It's not the Viking Lands source book I was looking for.
The Kobold Press PFRPG supplement, Northlands, might be more of what you're looking for in that regard. It's pretty good, but I'm biased.

It's probably a 65/35% split of setting versus mechanics, so it might be useful regardless of the system you're running.

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Tim Baker wrote:
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Brian Suskind confirmed on Facebook that "Midlands" is the correct term.
And seconded.

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ben_mcfarland wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:27 pm
shesheyan wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:12 pm
It's not the Viking Lands source book I was looking for.
The Kobold Press PFRPG supplement, Northlands, might be more of what you're looking for in that regard. It's pretty good, but I'm biased.

It's probably a 65/35% split of setting versus mechanics, so it might be useful regardless of the system you're running.

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Thanks! Specifically I'm looking for D&D 5e versions of the books.

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BrianSuskind wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:57 pm
While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old. This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....
Kobold Press said this is not happening:
Kobold Press on Facebook wrote:That is correct. It is a rumor and a dream and maybe someday it could be a thing.
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Big Mac wrote:
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:49 pm
BrianSuskind wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:57 pm
While I can’t confirm or deny anything...It is possible that a project is being worked on by the same team that brought you the Southlands (McFarland & Suskind), plus some other designers new and old. This theoretical project would make use of tons of research material and careful consideration by various cultural readers. The project if it exists at all would no doubt include maps by the amazing Anna Meyers.....if it exists....
Kobold Press said this is not happening:
Kobold Press on Facebook wrote:That is correct. It is a rumor and a dream and maybe someday it could be a thing.
My 2020 gaming budget is spent any way... :lol: ;)
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Probably a distant goal due to the number of project irons already in the fire.
The only real mention of a Brilliant East I found was on 1d4chan, "and the upcoming Brilliant East...": https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Midgard
I checked before starting this thread and that was the only hit on search result. I thought it had been announced or strongly hinted somewhere I couldn't find. Not sure where they got the name from.

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Isuru wrote:
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Probably a distant goal due to the number of project irons already in the fire.
The only real mention of a Brilliant East I found was on 1d4chan, "and the upcoming Brilliant East...": https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Midgard
I checked before starting this thread and that was the only hit on search result. I thought it had been announced or strongly hinted somewhere I couldn't find. Not sure where they got the name from.
I'm not sure if search engines pick up discussions on social media groups, such as Facebook. I'm pretty sure that's where the name has been mentioned.

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That might explain it. The search engine bots may only have partial success with social media posts. That said, I had no problem finding posts about some gaming topics of interest on FB and Twitter. Time, age of site/account, and backlinks probably also play a huge role as the bots have to skim through the vast ocean of posts. The Piazza for instance tends to show on searches pretty quick. As we can see here on the Piazza, there's a constant Google(Bot) and Bing(Bot) cataloguing the posts. These forums have well over a decade of history and activity and there are plenty of links and backlinks. Any topics on gaming and game settings ranks decently, especially more niche topics that only get a mention once in a blue moon.

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Isuru wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:59 pm
The Piazza for instance tends to show on searches pretty quick. As we can see here on the Piazza, there's a constant Google(Bot) and Bing(Bot) cataloguing the posts. These forums have well over a decade of history and activity and there are plenty of links and backlinks. Any topics on gaming and game settings ranks decently, especially more niche topics that only get a mention once in a blue moon.
Yep, it's one of the things I like about communicating via forums. They might be "old fashioned," but there are still advantages to discoverability and search accuracy.

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I may have spent two years working on ...something.

Just saying.

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ben_mcfarland wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:02 pm
I may have spent two years working on ...something.
I have no doubt it's going to be incredible! If it were to ever come to being, of course.

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