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Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:41 pm
by Big Mac
Over in this post, Vestcoat said that the Stardock from the Forgotten Realms adventure Undermountain: Stardock had it's name stolen from Lankhmar:
vestcoat wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:17 am
Pages 25-31 detail the asteroid. There's two or three keyed areas on the surface and a small subterranean dungeon. True to its Lankhmar-stolen name, Stardock contains a dock for space-faring ships. No details or SJ content, mind you, just a statement that the DM can add Spelljammer connections to an empty dock.
I had never noticed that there was a Stardock in Lankhmar before, although I did type something about it (I guess it didn't register).

Scrolls of Lankhmar has this to say about Stardock:
Scrolls of Lankhmar wrote:Stardock

Stories: Stardock

The tallest mountain in the Mountain of Giants and nearly unclimbable, Stardock is home to a race of Invisibles as well as the Ice Gnomes. It is the fourth mountain in the chain from the south.
That mentions a short story called Stardock, which I think maybe I want to read. I'll have to work out what book it is in.

Anyhoo, I'm wondering if the Stardock from Forgotten Realms is inspired by Lankhmar in any way other than it's name.

What can you tell me about this mountain?

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:22 pm
by Havard
Interesting. I wonder if the city of Starport from Blackmoor's Duchy of the Peaks also was borrowed from Lankhmar?

-Havard

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:13 am
by Cthulhudrew
It seems like a fairly generic name for a similar concept. I'd credit lack of imagination at least as much as outright copying (or stealing) a name.

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:47 am
by BlackBat242
"the Trollstep Mountains or the Mountains of the Giants: peaks include:
the great Stardock, which is according to legend where the Gods launched the stars into the nightsky, and populated by a race of unseen beings."

Not a spaceport/starship dock at all.


#4 Swords Against Wizardry (collection 1968)
"In the Witch's Tent" (1968, first publication)
"Stardock" (novelette 1965 Fantastic)
"The Two Best Thieves in Lankhmar" (1968 Fantastic)
The Lords of Quarmall (novella 1964 Fantastic), with Harry Otto Fischer

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:02 pm
by Big Mac
BlackBat242 wrote:
Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:47 am
"the Trollstep Mountains or the Mountains of the Giants: peaks include:
the great Stardock, which is according to legend where the Gods launched the stars into the nightsky, and populated by a race of unseen beings."

Not a spaceport/starship dock at all.
Ah, so a dock...but a dock for stars.

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:27 am
by barrataria
It's a great story, and will make you forget about all these phony Stardocks :)

Re: Stardock (mountain)

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:27 am
by Isuru
It's most likely a homage. Most of the writers are huge fans of these books and the Lankhmar setting. For Undermountain, Stardock is a relatively obscure reference to something similar, but not quite the same, using a name that could be derived independently, for a location that is a bit out of the way. Not the first time it's happened, cough::Aglarond::cough.

An infringement is to have a barbarian and thief duo named Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser in Undermountain (unless there is a license).

A knock-off would be to have a barbarian and thief duo named Frogherd and the Gray Mooser. Actually this might be parody at this point. Maybe Felwulf and the Grim Mongoose. Froufru and the Dappled Chinchillian. Hafwyk and the Mousy Griggraw.

You know what grinds my gears: Silvermoon city in Warcraft and Silverymoon in Forgotten Realms. Granted super common concept used for a city name.